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pebble Hive Bee	posted 01-21-2000 06:49 PM Now, I probably want post anything in the future about Hypophosphorus acid. However, I've read where some of you said it gives low-yields. Prickleberry said this as a matter of fact, he's also right. However, if you have the technique down it will produce 70% yields on a regular basis. It could also be how long you cooked it etc, etc. Refluxing for hours is not needed. I've dreamed of doing a small line of Meth that was made from this procedure and starting sweating like a pig as soon as I hit it. Talking about good stuff!!!! I learned gram for gram and know this works. What I'm wondering is, does anyone if any know a ratio for using Hypophosphorus acid, P-fed, and I2 that might give a better reaction and convert more of the p-fed to yield a better quality product. The shoe fits right now, but I would like to anyways continue to shoot for the stars. If I can dream of it being bettr, than that's what I'll do, If not, it want matter anyway, it's still good quality meth. So, if anyone of you bees knows of a good ratio, I sure would like to read them. Before I experiment I would like to have some info. before I start something and screw up royally. Hypo works, R.P. is better, but Hypo works. You just have to have everything down, and it's touchy. The least little thing different can effect the outcome, but this is with any method. O.K. I'll shut-up now. Pebble
ozbee Hive Bee	posted 01-22-2000 01:49 PM Placebo "yes" this is one of my favourite topics . You're not wrong about the quality or strength of that hypo gear . Every one is extremely impressed with it , highly desireable . I've been trying to e-mail ya but I'm having troubles getting through . hopefully 3rd one made it after losing 2 full on messages to you . My e-mail address is included . I know of a hypophosphorous acid 50% method that can produce 8 ounces every 8 hours . This is a method Iam going to experiment with , so I invite you to come along for that dream . If your interested , we can work out a plan for the best allternative and follow it through together if you like . That way we can compare notes and get that % up to where we are happy . Got heaps to tell ya , I'll get this problem with my e-mail out of the way and we'll have a good chat . " Bye ". Disclaimer: ozbee never does illegal activity as all his his posts are just hypothetical . ozbee does not encourage illegal activity either . No one breaks the law here , I suggest you don't either . ------------------ down under
watwak NewBee	posted 01-23-2000 02:26 AM Down under where I dream that it is general practice of others to use 1:1:1 ratio by weight. In my dreams however, I have developed a different technique due to the reasons usually unsure of acid strength and short reflux times require excess of reducing agents. For example: Charge flask with 100ml of hypo, add 3 x 33 gram portions of I2 and gently heat at which time gas should be piping out from the condenser, slowly add 5ml portions of H2O until gas stops evolving. Hence maximum amount of acid held in the solution should be 57%( Hi ).Heat for a further 5 minutes then add 75 grams of pseudo. You can mol it out h3po2 + H2o + I2 = 2H0 + H3Po3.
watwak NewBee	posted 01-23-2000 02:27 AM HI not HO sorry
hunter NewBee	posted 01-23-2000 07:05 PM Hey ozbee I'm a fellow down under bee. At the moment most of my dreams have been small(an OZ or less). However I know for a fact that the cooks I by from do 8oz at one cook. I have access to large ammounts of Hypo and R.P so chemicals are not a problem. Personaly I perfer working with the Hypo. Anyway I just wanted to say hi and ask that you keep as posted on any new developments Hunter
Wizard X PimpBee	posted 01-23-2000 08:37 PM The reason RP is better is simply due to the physical properties of P to react with I in a molar ratio of 2 mole P: 3 moles of I2. 2P + 3I2 ==>> 2PI3 2PI3 + 6H2O ==>> 6HI + 2H3PO3 where by Hypophosphorus acid per mole produces only 2 moles of HI. H3PO2 + H2O + I2 = 2HI + H3PO3
Wizard X PimpBee	posted 01-23-2000 08:42 PM 2P + 3I2 ==>> 2PI3 2PI3 + 6H2O ==>> 6HI + 2H3PO3 This above equation can be cancelled by 2 so, ..... P + 1.5 I2 ==>> PI3 PI3 + 3H2O ==>> 3HI + H3PO3
pebble Hive Bee	posted 01-23-2000 09:05 PM O.K. Wizard X, so what does all this mean in Laymans terms? How greater or less is the difference between the two precursors, as in, how much difference will this one (1)mole make a difference? I know of some who use hypophosphorus acid and they say they cook it around 300 degres. However, if the MSDA sheet is right, which I know is, than this is bullcrap. I can dream of very good stuff, but I am always looking for ways to make it more potent. But I've done one line of this and starting sweating as soon as I did it, that was too much of a rush!!! Great stuff though. I've done the "Nazi Cold Method", etc, etc. As far as making the stuff, this is one of the easiest and is more stable than R.P. but, like you said R.P. is better. All in all, much is in the mind and the one who does the cooking, etc. Pebble
aknalb unregistered	posted 01-23-2000 09:16 PM convert the moles to grams.. then make sure you are producing enuf HI for the eph.. if you don't know how to do what I'm talking about, you shouldn't mess with this stuff cuz it doesn't become simpler.. no such thing as laymens.. gotta at least know about moles
Wizard X PimpBee	posted 01-23-2000 09:24 PM Pebble: You said.. quote: I know of some who use hypophosphorus acid and they say they cook it around 300 degres. Eph & Meth becomes destroyed at this temp. RP should NEVER be heated to 300 Deg C. Simply putting it in Laymens terms, RP produces more HI per mole, and therefore recycles the I2 produced in the dissociation of 2HI => H2 + I2. An excess of Hypophosphorus acid is used as the Hypophosphorus acid will reduce the I2 formed by the I2 produced in the dissociation of 2HI => H2 + I2.
Wizard X PimpBee	posted 01-23-2000 09:37 PM An excess of Hypophosphorus acid is also used as the Hypophosphorus acid will reduce the benzylic -OH. Hypophosphorus acid has a great affinity for Oxygen O. So therefore....... C6H5-CH(-OH)-CH(-NHCH3)-CH3 + H3PO2 ==>> H3PO3 +C6H5-CH2-CH(-NHCH3)-CH3 This is why... H3PO2 + H2O =heat=> H2 + H3PO3 it decomposes.
pebble Hive Bee	posted 01-23-2000 09:38 PM O.K. Wizard X you've got it going on. I've heard add more I2 and as you say anexcess of Hypo. From your lnowledge, what do you believe to be best in your opinion as ratios using P-fed, I2, and Hypophosphorus acid? If you have 3 grams of P-fed would you go equal ratios or would you adjust the I2 and Hypo? Like I said I have no complaints, but Because of this board I'm going to take advantage of it and try some experementing to see if I can make great even better. Pebble
ozbee Hive Bee	posted 01-24-2000 04:12 PM Sorry Pebble , got ya mixed up with Placebo . Not enogh sleep for ozbee is starting to show . So it looks like theres a message in that post for both of you's . Hunter :" Well a howdy do to you too" . Mmnmmm large amounts of hypo & RP"hey" , well that'll give me something to dream about . I,m sure other aussie hypo & RP bees would be interested in that , yes . I,d rather work with hypo too , seems to be an aussie thing . But I sure wouldn,t mind trying Worlocks push pull . Just need to get hold of some RP from a good , safe and lab grade source . You got it made . I just dont want to depend on matchbox RP . I like to use the best especially when trying something new to me . Any way as far as keeping ya posted on new developments , it seems like theres going to be quite a team working on it by the looks of these hypo type forums . As soon as Ive got my e-mail secure with hushmail or ziplip things will start happening and I,ll e-mail ya all. once Ive regained a few brain cells after a good sleep I,ll get get some more good topics , methods and questions happening till then , bye everyone . ------------------ down under
hunter NewBee	posted 01-24-2000 07:19 PM Hunter Ozbee I'll let you in on a little secret, fuck trying to get RP from a lab. In this fine country the best sources are fireworks companies. Most of these guys are so crooked you can phone up and simply inquire straight out. I know a little place in a small NSW town that is a great source of the shit. I'm not going to posta name because that would be an invasion of privicy, however these guys were involved in the most of the fireworks show around the world.(a little research and you will find out what you after). They sell RP by the kilo 1500-2000 dependening how well they no you. Anyway I uses a push-pull method for my small batches but would be intrested to hear any alternatives as I know most cooks down here don't follow this procedure, and I'm fucked if I know how they do it. Got to go hope to hear from you soon. Keep the Faith Hunter
squeak NewBee	posted 01-25-2000 02:32 AM use only 1 gram of p.e. to 15 ml of hypo and 1.2 grams of i. mix in all ice cold. watch the glass be born
CHEMMAN Hive Bee	posted 01-25-2000 03:35 AM Hunter, I dream as you.I have seen and dreamt both.Our way is better.For some reason,hypo cooks can get away with less pure E?.I believe this to be partly true,but I have found that the common hypo method here also employs steam distillation.Do as the wise and use RP .After reaction dont add NP solvent.Add ice chips,water,and caustic to make freebase oil fall out on top.Set up for steam dist to recover clean oil and water. This beats so many things..MCC Povidone etc Dont ever worry about an emulsion again. Im an Ozbee too ; auto22375@hushmail.com
aqua-girl Hive Bee	posted 01-25-2000 05:41 AM I'm personally tired of fucking with redp. I get waxed by emulsions almost every time nowadays, and aquisition is becoming a nightmare. I also don't like the "critical mass" factor of needing a certain sized reaction for the whole thing to work well. I have the equip for proper reflux, so I can't see much of a reason not to use this method. so the question is..... just HOW watched is this stuff in the US. My redp dream got fucked bigtime, probably from a flag by UPS and a call to local or fed authorities. Is hypophos as likely to send up a flag as redp? I know it's on the watched list for meth manufacture, but not yet a listed item. If I call a local chem company to ask for it, what would some other things I should order to make everything look on the up-and-up. TIA AG
watwak NewBee	posted 02-07-2000 01:41 AM hunter could you please Email me at watwak@hushmail.com with your Email address would be very gratefull
chemstupid Hive Bee	posted 02-07-2000 03:02 AM it seems that water hurts the hypo reaction, because it becomes H3PO3, so am I right to assume that it is better to leave water out?
Wizard X PimpBee	posted 02-07-2000 08:07 PM chemstupid: When you buy 50% Hypo as a solution it contains 50% Hypo & 50% water.

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